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| bezourox | Hi, is there one person to help me to customize my mantisbt 1.2.8 ? | 06:06 |
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| Paul24 | jreese: where is dhx? | 18:09 |
| dregad_ | Paul24: in Australia ? | 18:10 |
| Paul24 | I see | 18:10 |
| Paul24 | :P | 18:10 |
| Paul24 | dhx/myself need to discuss branches ;p | 18:11 |
| dregad_ | ;-) | 18:11 |
| dregad_ | Have not seen him online tonight | 18:11 |
| Paul24 | at least, i've got my own '2.0' branch | 18:12 |
| Paul24 | dhx has he's own | 18:12 |
| Paul24 | and now robert's talking about doing a 1.3 | 18:12 |
| Paul24 | :) | 18:12 |
| dregad_ | and everybody else wishes they had a 1.3 to start with | 18:12 |
| Paul24 | i've actually lost track of what is in master and what isn't | 18:13 |
| Paul24 | :) | 18:13 |
| dregad_ | 1.3, 2.0, next, whatever | 18:13 |
| Paul24 | as people seem to randomly port some stuff to 1.2 | 18:13 |
| dregad_ | we (you/dhx) just need to get this out to stop this | 18:13 |
| * dregad_ understands himself | 18:14 | |
| Paul24 | yea | 18:14 |
| Paul24 | i'd like to get some sort of next/2.0alpha out door by xmas | 18:14 |
| dregad_ | that'd be great | 18:14 |
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| Paul24 | [which'll be a good exercise anyway as dhx/myself are probably heading slightly different routes] | 18:15 |
| Paul24 | i.e. | 18:15 |
| dregad_ | then we can stop having to double-code every fix in 1.2 + master | 18:15 |
| Paul24 | my starting point was '"take master as of when activity was quiet aka June" | 18:15 |
| Paul24 | try and add dbapi | 18:15 |
| Paul24 | and try and tidy up with a view to seeing if I can make some stuff use objects more | 18:16 |
| Paul24 | so that's effectively a fork | 18:16 |
| Paul24 | as of June | 18:16 |
| Paul24 | dhx then took a version of my db api stuff and put into 'next' with some of daryn's changes | 18:17 |
| Paul24 | and has worked on exceptions since [albeit, whilst useful, I think we really need to work out what our object structure is before we work out what exceptions we have | 18:17 |
| Paul24 | and seperately to that, since June, there's been an increase in activity on the master branch | 18:18 |
| dregad_ | as I see it, the problem is that despite of all the cool stuff that you guys are implementing, it feels like loading more and more features and endlessly postponing a go-live of any future major release of Mantis | 18:18 |
| dregad_ | As a consequence, people who focus more on the stable version (like Robert and myself), still need some improvements and we end up with discussions like the latest on the "Memo" custom field and others | 18:19 |
| dregad_ | I'm in favor of small steps... | 18:20 |
| dregad_ | get the boat moving | 18:21 |
| dregad_ | instead of constant rework/rearchitect/redesign/whatever | 18:22 |
| dregad_ | So if we could get e.g. a 1.3 with revamped DB api | 18:22 |
| dregad_ | then 1.4 with objects | 18:22 |
| dregad_ | then 1.5 with new design | 18:22 |
| dregad_ | etc | 18:22 |
| dregad_ | instead of making a huge 2.0 with everything in it... | 18:23 |
| * dregad_ ends rant | 18:23 | |
| Paul24 | personally, I dislike the way we manage releases | 18:25 |
| dregad_ | Basically I think you and David should work on a merge of your "June" branch with "next" (and master) and focus on releasing something by end of year | 18:25 |
| dregad_ | well,l I don't think we "manage" releases at all at the moment | 18:25 |
| Paul24 | we've done it before where we've had a big patch come in | 18:25 |
| Paul24 | or someone's been working on something | 18:25 |
| Paul24 | and i go to bed | 18:25 |
| Paul24 | and in morning, someone's done a release | 18:26 |
| Paul24 | then the patch gets commited | 18:26 |
| Paul24 | and suddenly you've got a patch that could have been in the release too late for it | 18:26 |
| Paul24 | and a pain for anyone to merge | 18:26 |
| dregad_ | right | 18:26 |
| dregad_ | especially with deep-impact changes | 18:27 |
| dregad_ | Unfortunately I'm afraid there is not much I can do to help | 18:28 |
| Paul24 | normally we got to a point where | 18:30 |
| Paul24 | we have to pick a point in time that the 'master' branch is stable | 18:31 |
| Paul24 | to release from | 18:31 |
| Paul24 | atm, we kinda have 3 master branches | 18:31 |
| Paul24 | which is fine, but we can't develop in all 3 :) | 18:31 |
| Paul24 | as we are only like 6-7 people | 18:31 |
| dregad_ | 3 is not counting all of the local and/or experimental stuff that you, daryn, gianluca are doing in your forks... | 18:32 |
| Paul24 | i'd probably be inclined to think that dhx/myself are probably more active | 18:33 |
| Paul24 | but yes | 18:33 |
| dregad_ | I was just trying to make a point but yes you're right | 18:33 |
| Paul24 | I tend to make the assumption that if I play with an idea, and it works out | 18:34 |
| Paul24 | we can deal with merging it later | 18:34 |
| dregad_ | (unless merging becomes impossible - see above comment ;-) ) | 18:34 |
| Paul24 | then you just make that merge trunk | 18:34 |
| Paul24 | :P | 18:34 |
| Paul24 | and port fixes the other way | 18:34 |
| Paul24 | or whatever | 18:34 |
| Paul24 | but then, we also need to decide whats important | 18:36 |
| Paul24 | for example https://github.com/mantisbt/mantisbt/commit/9d64c8efaac66c1d74d26914a426bf03a701ba87 | 18:36 |
| Paul24 | i'm not sure whether I agree with those sort of commits | 18:36 |
| Paul24 | ok css3 is nice | 18:36 |
| Paul24 | but people sitll use IE8 | 18:36 |
| Paul24 | i.e. part of me thinks, faster code, tidier etc | 18:37 |
| dregad_ | indeed - my company only just recently finished the migration from IE6 to IE8 | 18:37 |
| Paul24 | at same time, whats it gonna look like in IE8 and are we gonna need to add it back in | 18:37 |
| dregad_ | so I don't think we're moving to anything more recent any time soon ;) | 18:37 |
| Paul24 | on the flip side | 18:38 |
| Paul24 | if we use that to make rows in the bug history different colours | 18:38 |
| Paul24 | i'm not sure a developer is gonna care | 18:38 |
| Paul24 | and I suspect whilst you have ie8 wouldn't surprise me if you have ff or chrome too | 18:38 |
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| dregad_ | *I* do ::grin:: but in a corp. environment, usually you don't have a choice | 18:39 |
| dregad_ | you get what the powers-that-be say you should be using | 18:39 |
| Paul24 | nod | 18:40 |
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| dregad_ | btw Paul24, any way you can make the scribe log the 2 new channels, and fix your cron job ? | 18:49 |
| dregad_ | Paul24: also, I'd appreciate your feedback on http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=12544#c29695 - is this ldap improvement you mention, the long-awaited one, and is it part of your "june" rework ? | 18:53 |
| Paul24 | dregad_: it's already logging both channels | 18:57 |
| dregad_ | Paul24: http://www.mantisforge.org/irclogs/ shows latest on 26-Sep, and log is from #mantishelp | 19:01 |
| dregad_ | If I type url http://www.mantisforge.org/irclogs/%23mantisbt-help.2011-09-27.log.html I do get today's log but the links are wrong | 19:02 |
| dregad_ | and the html page does not reflect the actual log | 19:04 |
| Paul24 | well, we know that was sometimes behind as it was being silly | 19:05 |
| dregad_ | Same for http://www.mantisforge.org/irclogs/%23mantisbt.2011-09-27.log and matching html page | 19:05 |
| Paul24 | i think part of the issue could be the renaming of channels | 19:05 |
| Paul24 | and the fact the viewer code stores files as channel names | 19:05 |
| dregad_ | hmm just noticed the conversation you had with john ;) | 19:06 |
| Paul24 | yea | 19:07 |
| Paul24 | apparently we want two sets of logs | 19:07 |
| dregad_ | I just need one (that works) :P | 19:12 |
| * dregad_ yawns... | 19:24 | |
| dregad_ | bedtime - goodnight | 19:24 |
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