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| xleon | hello | 14:37 |
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| xleon | anybody there? | 14:37 |
| Paul_46 | hi | 14:42 |
| xleon | hi | 14:42 |
| xleon | I was thinking about developing a mobile version of mantis and I wanted to know your opinion | 14:43 |
| xleon | I saw there is a mobile app already, but I guess it lacks too many things | 14:43 |
| xleon | any thoughts? | 14:44 |
| Paul_46 | there's a couple of mobile versions around | 14:46 |
| Paul_46 | i'd like to make an open source one | 14:46 |
| Paul_46 | but that involves time :P | 14:46 |
| xleon | a couple? I´ve just seen one on app store | 14:48 |
| xleon | I want to make one for iphone, ipad, android | 14:48 |
| Paul_46 | oh you said 'app' | 14:48 |
| Paul_46 | I was thinking web ui | 14:48 |
| xleon | yes, I mean native app | 14:48 |
| Paul_46 | i'd like to do an open source web ui | 14:49 |
| Paul_46 | but ofc that's not an "app" | 14:49 |
| xleon | right | 14:49 |
| xleon | the current web ui is really ugly and expensive... | 14:49 |
| Paul_46 | not quite sure how multiple app's 'sync' | 14:49 |
| xleon | i don´t think they have to sync... | 14:50 |
| xleon | just download data from server | 14:50 |
| xleon | and cache locally | 14:50 |
| Paul_46 | at which point, does one need an app | 14:50 |
| xleon | local cache, faster, better in every way than web ui | 14:51 |
| xleon | you can save settings, like mantis instances, favorite issues, etc | 14:52 |
| Paul_46 | I *thought* when reading about jquery mobile i'd seen something about it caching data | 14:52 |
| Paul_46 | unless i was reaeding about some part of html5 | 14:52 |
| xleon | when you open the app, you can see inmediatly the cached data, instead of waiting for the server | 14:52 |
| xleon | html 5 has local sqlite | 14:53 |
| xleon | but I didn´t use it yet | 14:53 |
| Paul_46 | do ipads etc support 'that' | 14:53 |
| xleon | yes | 14:53 |
| xleon | I was thinking about developing with Adobe AIR | 14:54 |
| xleon | one codebase, 3 platforms | 14:54 |
| xleon | android, ios, blackberry | 14:54 |
| xleon | not sure about open source it | 14:54 |
| Paul_46 | http://sixrevisions.com/web-development/html5-iphone-app/ | 14:54 |
| Paul_46 | so yea, in theory, you can cache data ? | 14:54 |
| xleon | yes | 14:55 |
| xleon | for sure | 14:55 |
| xleon | I know it can be done with html5 | 14:55 |
| xleon | but you need javascript and mobile js frameworks to do that | 14:55 |
| * Paul_46 nods | 14:55 | |
| xleon | I prefer a better way | 14:55 |
| Paul_46 | 'adobe air' -- > apple allow that now? | 14:56 |
| xleon | sure | 14:56 |
| xleon | since a long time ago | 14:56 |
| xleon | app store is full of air apps | 14:56 |
| Paul_46 | I thought apple had been blocking it :P | 14:57 |
| Paul_46 | must hav emissed the change of heart | 14:57 |
| xleon | no | 14:57 |
| xleon | apple just block flash player in the browser | 14:57 |
| xleon | anyway | 14:57 |
| xleon | my question would be | 14:58 |
| xleon | do you think it´s a good idea to make a nice mantis client for mobile? | 14:58 |
| Paul_46 | probably has potential | 14:59 |
| Paul_46 | I'd like to create a free mobile interface that is open source [but NOT an app] | 14:59 |
| xleon | open source involves a lot of work and doing things much better :) | 15:00 |
| Paul_46 | i'm not sure the difference between a "mobile web page", a "html5 mobile webpage with cached data" and an "app" | 15:00 |
| Paul_46 | i.e. if the first/2nd bit got implemented, would an app still bring additional benefits? | 15:00 |
| Paul_46 | I assume 'yes' | 15:00 |
| Paul_46 | but might be harder to sell | 15:00 |
| xleon | you can do a web ui version (html5 or not) to access it from mobile browser, or you can wrap it into an app with phone gap or similars | 15:01 |
| xleon | good poing | 15:01 |
| xleon | point | 15:01 |
| Paul_46 | victor developed mantistouch and is selling it | 15:02 |
| xleon | I guess the answer is the app itself, being web or app, the important thing here is usability, and fun using it | 15:02 |
| Paul_46 | whilst that's fine, I'm not sure I like the fact it's someone's personal project being advertised directly on the mantisbt.org website | 15:02 |
| xleon | I think I´m going to make a free version with adobe air | 15:02 |
| xleon | I´ve been testing the soap services, and it´s pretty easy | 15:03 |
| xleon | but that guy is from the mantis team ? | 15:03 |
| Paul_46 | yes | 15:03 |
| xleon | that´s why | 15:03 |
| Paul_46 | but then technically so am i :P | 15:03 |
| xleon | haha | 15:04 |
| xleon | yeah | 15:04 |
| xleon | where are you from? | 15:04 |
| Paul_46 | uk | 15:04 |
| xleon | what features would you include in your mobile web ui version? | 15:05 |
| Paul_46 | well, it would be 'nice' if you could do similar to what you can in browser | 15:06 |
| Paul_46 | imo | 15:06 |
| xleon | mmm, I don´t think so | 15:06 |
| xleon | I think mobile version has to be simple | 15:07 |
| Paul_46 | or well, I've not really thought into it lots and lots :) | 15:07 |
| xleon | and show the most important things only | 15:07 |
| Paul_46 | it needs to be simple+easy to use | 15:07 |
| xleon | yes | 15:07 |
| Paul_46 | it's how far you let people do 'advanced' stuff | 15:07 |
| xleon | simple navigation | 15:07 |
| Paul_46 | for example | 15:07 |
| xleon | for example, user management… I wouldn´t do it on mobile | 15:08 |
| Paul_46 | should you be able to view a 'changelog' on the move | 15:08 |
| Paul_46 | ok i'd kinda decided anything /manage* or /admin* == web browser only | 15:08 |
| xleon | I don´t think so | 15:08 |
| xleon | yes | 15:08 |
| Paul_46 | although to be fair, given that ipads etc can browse web | 15:08 |
| Paul_46 | the ability to report issues offline, and update issues offline would probably be 'important' | 15:09 |
| xleon | that´s right, with tablet it´s easy | 15:09 |
| xleon | that´s a good point | 15:09 |
| Paul_46 | report/update/view off/online would be osmewhate useful | 15:09 |
| Paul_46 | however, given you need some sort of sync, the question is what you allow to be viewed offline | 15:10 |
| xleon | then, when you connect, you send data to server and refresh from server | 15:10 |
| Paul_46 | the obvious one there could be [if doing web ui] allow someone to makr issue as favourite/monitor'd | 15:10 |
| Paul_46 | and at that point it gets stored locally and they can add updates | 15:10 |
| Paul_46 | and then sync that | 15:10 |
| xleon | ok | 15:10 |
| Paul_46 | [can you do auto sync's with thml 5 or just apps?] | 15:11 |
| xleon | if you let the user "update" any content, you need to really sync data | 15:11 |
| xleon | that´s not easy | 15:11 |
| Paul_46 | when I say 'update' | 15:11 |
| Paul_46 | I think i'm really thinking "add notes" | 15:11 |
| Paul_46 | so for example, if you was on move, you could add note to your issues with 'billing information | 15:11 |
| xleon | but if the user can only "add", like issues, notes, etc, you just send the data to server once you are connected | 15:12 |
| Paul_46 | do you need an 'app' to do that bit? | 15:12 |
| Paul_46 | or would the html5 offline caching stuff also allow that? | 15:12 |
| Paul_46 | [I guess it would but would be a manul process?] | 15:12 |
| xleon | manual proccess anyway | 15:12 |
| xleon | I guess you can | 15:12 |
| xleon | I don´t know much about html5 | 15:13 |
| Paul_46 | http://konstruktors.com/blog/the-web/2991-hosted-html5-notepad-app-sync/ | 15:13 |
| xleon | yeah, if you have local cache, and ajax, you can sync | 15:14 |
| xleon | no mistery | 15:14 |
| xleon | but syncronization can be really hard depending of what kind of data you sync | 15:14 |
| xleon | like I told you before, if we just "add", it´s pretty simple | 15:15 |
| xleon | I want to make something simple, but nice | 15:15 |
| xleon | I don´t want to spend a long time developing | 15:15 |
| xleon | maybe 5 or 6 days max | 15:16 |
| * Paul_46 nods | 15:17 | |
| Paul_46 | and you'd do something with adobe air? | 15:17 |
| xleon | yes, that´s fast for me | 15:18 |
| Paul_46 | go for it :) | 15:18 |
| xleon | yes | 15:18 |
| Paul_46 | as I say, I might one day look at doing a web ui that's open | 15:19 |
| xleon | I think I´m going to do that | 15:19 |
| xleon | not sure about a free or paid app | 15:19 |
| Paul_46 | but, even then, people like choice | 15:19 |
| xleon | so you want to make a web ui so people can download it and add it to their mantis instance? | 15:19 |
| Paul_46 | as a plugin or as part of the core | 15:20 |
| Paul_46 | but web ui != app | 15:20 |
| xleon | ok | 15:20 |
| Paul_46 | i've just not done any research into how different they are | 15:21 |
| xleon | the big difference I see... | 15:22 |
| xleon | it´s user experience | 15:22 |
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| xleon | I have some html 5 apps on my iphone | 15:22 |
| xleon | and I don´t like them at all | 15:22 |
| xleon | performance and navigations are not as good as native apps | 15:23 |
| Paul_46 | nod | 15:23 |
| Paul_46 | maybe that's the point where you go from 'free' to 'paid | 15:23 |
| Paul_46 | i.e. free = html5 | 15:23 |
| Paul_46 | paid = native app | 15:23 |
| xleon | yes | 15:25 |
| xleon | nice talking to you man | 15:28 |
| xleon | good luck with your web ui | 15:29 |
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