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| hoover_ | anyone happen yo be around tonight? | 00:55 |
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| kirillka | giallu: git not work on git.mantisbt.org | 03:50 |
| kirillka | paul__: ping | 03:50 |
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| kirillka | nice.. My 256 post on forum http://www.mantisbt.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10057&p=26457#p26457 | 04:04 |
| Watergad | Hi | 04:04 |
| kirillka | Watergad: hi | 04:04 |
| Watergad | is there any way to create custom field based on the sql query? | 04:04 |
| Watergad | I'm thinking about smth like http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=11743 | 04:05 |
| Watergad | I was asked to show Resolve date on the View Issues page | 04:06 |
| kirillka | Watergad: what about config-file? For now developers go away from hard-defined status... And they don't make new field for this | 04:07 |
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| kirillka | paul__: around? | 04:22 |
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| dhx_m | hi | 07:40 |
| CIA-29 | Mantisbt: hickseydr * r2e73850a8d3c /core/user_pref_api.php: Fix #11394: No email sent for lost password process | 08:53 |
| CIA-29 | Mantisbt: hickseydr master-1.2.x * r1a1c97629cc7 /core/user_pref_api.php: Fix #11394: No email sent for lost password process | 08:53 |
| nuclear_eclipse | hi dhx_m | 08:53 |
| dhx_m | nuclear_eclipse: hi :) | 08:53 |
| nuclear_eclipse | dhx_m: I'm gonna rename 1.2.x to 1.2.1 on the tracker, and make a new 1.2.x entry -- could you look over the roadmap for 1.2.1 and make a decision about what should be pushed back to 1.2.x? | 08:57 |
| dhx_m | nuclear_eclipse: push 1.2.1 right now :) | 08:57 |
| nuclear_eclipse | lol, I don't have time to push it right now, and there is a couple small things I want in it still | 08:58 |
| dhx_m | I'd prefer if we just released minor versions on a regular basis with no consideration of the roadmap | 08:58 |
| dhx_m | ok | 08:58 |
| kirillka | dhx_m: hi | 08:59 |
| nuclear_eclipse | that'd be fine, except I just want to make sure there isn't anything that's a glaring hole still left open | 08:59 |
| kirillka | nuclear_eclipse: mo | 08:59 |
| dhx_m | well there are still bugs | 08:59 |
| dhx_m | but not as many as 1.2.0 :) | 08:59 |
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| dhx_m | that is really my point ;) | 08:59 |
| nuclear_eclipse | yeah, I get that | 09:00 |
| nuclear_eclipse | I guess I just don't like making a release if we know there's still a big bug in it | 09:00 |
| nuclear_eclipse | ok, new versions are in place | 09:02 |
| dhx_m | yep I understand that reasoning too | 09:04 |
| nuclear_eclipse | thb, if you don't think any of the bugs currently targetting 1.2.1 are worth our time before release, that's fine with me, I just want someone to double check the list for important bugs | 09:04 |
| dhx_m | nothing too major that I see | 09:07 |
| nuclear_eclipse | ok | 09:07 |
| dhx_m | and at the current rate we've been fixing them, I'd rather not delay it more :) | 09:08 |
| nuclear_eclipse | hehe | 09:08 |
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| nuclear_eclipse | time to update the live install to the latest code | 09:18 |
| * nuclear_eclipse crosses fingers | 09:18 | |
| nuclear_eclipse | updated, and it seems like it's working :P | 09:20 |
| dhx_m | :) | 09:21 |
| dhx_m | another article for http://www.mantisbt.org/wiki/doku.php/mantisbt:press | 09:29 |
| dhx_m | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/04/19/mantis-is-an-agile-simple-bugtracker/ | 09:29 |
| CIA-29 | Mantisbt: robert.munteanu * re4902b6589ee /api/soap/mc_issue_api.php: Use the correct default value for sponsorship_total | 09:29 |
| CIA-29 | Mantisbt: robert.munteanu master-1.2.x * r94619c40b731 /api/soap/mc_issue_api.php: Use the correct default value for sponsorship_total | 09:29 |
| dhx_m | nuclear_eclipse: WOW! http://sourceforge.net/downloads/mantisbt/stats_timeline | 09:32 |
| dhx_m | 60,000 downloads on 2010-04-18 | 09:32 |
| nuclear_eclipse | yep | 09:32 |
| dhx_m | is that because of downloadsquad's notice? | 09:32 |
| nuclear_eclipse | dunno | 09:32 |
| nuclear_eclipse | 90% from belgium makes it sound a bit hokey to me =\ | 09:33 |
| dhx_m | and 93% Linux sounds like a distribution just updated their repository? | 09:33 |
| dhx_m | ah their interface is broken :) | 09:34 |
| dhx_m | the standard interface shows a normal trend | 09:34 |
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| davidinc | hi | 09:57 |
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| davidinc | dhx: hi | 10:00 |
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| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: so I have 1 day to patch a bug if it's bothering me? | 10:17 |
| nuclear_eclipse | micahg: only if you care about getting it into 1.2.1 :P | 10:17 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: how long till 1.2.2? :) | 10:18 |
| nuclear_eclipse | dhx_m and I would both like to get into the habit of releasing more often, so hopefully there won't be a 2-month window between maintenance releases in the future | 10:19 |
| nuclear_eclipse | the biggest problem with 1.2.1 is is that | 10:20 |
| nuclear_eclipse | oops | 10:20 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: k, I'd like to patch that bug I posted about to the ML | 10:20 |
| nuclear_eclipse | the biggest issue with 1.2.1 was a few big bugs that I thought were important enough to wait until they were fixed, which was in the past few days | 10:20 |
| nuclear_eclipse | micahg: if you post the patches to the "Last Train" thread on the dev list, I'll look them over before I dael with the release | 10:22 |
| nuclear_eclipse | I gotta head out right now though | 10:23 |
| nuclear_eclipse | cheers | 10:23 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: k, I don't think I'll have time though, but thanks.. | 10:23 |
| * micahg guesses he can apply a patch locally until the next release anyways | 10:23 | |
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| paul__ | dhx_m: mo | 13:51 |
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| CIA-29 | Mantisbt: s.mazeland master-1.2.x * rdfeddb5e4960 /lang/ (strings_hebrew.txt strings_portuguese_standard.txt): Localisation updates from translatewiki.net (2010-04-21) | 14:42 |
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| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: any chance of security updates being backported for Mantis 1.1.x or is it totally EOL? | 15:27 |
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| nuclear_eclipse | micahg: if there's a major security vulnerability, and either a patch to fix it, or the ability to backport a fix from 1.2.x, then no, it's not entirely out of the question | 16:13 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: k, just trying to figure out if I should push for Mantis 1.2 to hit Lucid, it's down to the wire | 16:14 |
| nuclear_eclipse | there's already a couple security fixes sitting on master-1.1.x provided (I think) by Debian because they still only support 1.1.x in their distro | 16:14 |
| nuclear_eclipse | I would push for 1.2 if at all possible, esp since it's LTS | 16:14 |
| paul__ | debian suck :) | 16:14 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: I actually requested 1.2 in Debian also, but haven't received a response yet | 16:14 |
| paul__ | nuclear_eclipse: LTS? | 16:14 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: that's my thinking too | 16:14 |
| nuclear_eclipse | Long Term Support | 16:14 |
| paul__ | by whom? ;p | 16:15 |
| nuclear_eclipse | Ubuntu | 16:15 |
| nuclear_eclipse | 10.04 will be supported for 5 years on the server... | 16:15 |
| paul__ | ahh | 16:15 |
| paul__ | tbh, i'm gradually concluding my belief that webapps shouldn't be included in the 'server' in that sense | 16:15 |
| nuclear_eclipse | paul__: I would personally agree with that as well, but it's not my decision | 16:16 |
| micahg | paul__: nuclear_eclipse: it's in the universe repository and not included on any media | 16:16 |
| nuclear_eclipse | right, but it's still yet another "problem" that people end up trying to upgrade from an outdated repo package to a tarball release and inevitably have trouble =\ | 16:17 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: do you want me to make a Mantis PPA? | 16:18 |
| paul__ | it's looking like either this or next weekend is gonna be mantis weekend | 16:18 |
| paul__ | I might be patching some of david's changes then | 16:18 |
| nuclear_eclipse | micahg: might be useful | 16:18 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: I help maintain the one for Zend PHP Framework ATM | 16:18 |
| nuclear_eclipse | it'd be more useful if 1.2 was approved for Lucid... :P | 16:19 |
| paul__ | ppa? | 16:19 |
| nuclear_eclipse | Personal Package Archive :P | 16:19 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: I'll see if I can get that tonight | 16:19 |
| nuclear_eclipse | ccmon paul, keep up | 16:19 |
| paul__ | whats wrong with tgz | 16:19 |
| paul__ | tar zxvf | 16:19 |
| paul__ | done | 16:19 |
| nuclear_eclipse | let's not get into that debate paul | 16:19 |
| paul__ | oh please :) | 16:19 |
| paul__ | we've not had a good debate on packaging policies of various linux distributions for 6 months now :) | 16:20 |
| nuclear_eclipse | some people prefer to have packages that are automatically kept up to date by the distribution | 16:20 |
| * paul__ prefers to have stuff that works :P | 16:20 | |
| nuclear_eclipse | I'm generally a part of that camp, with webapps being my one exception | 16:20 |
| paul__ | MS released new ctp of their sql driver today | 16:20 |
| paul__ | which would go well with a mantis weekend either this week or next | 16:20 |
| nuclear_eclipse | mainly because I don't like the way debian/ubuntu set up apache by default, so since I'm changing everything anyways, might as well manage my web apps at the same time | 16:21 |
| paul__ | 10.04 doens't work for me :( | 16:21 |
| nuclear_eclipse | paul__: well it is still technically a beta... | 16:23 |
| paul__ | I suspect it's gonna get released 'broken' for me ;p | 16:23 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: you can file bugs if there's something that they might be willing to change | 16:23 |
| paul__ | X server is crashing | 16:23 |
| paul__ | on start | 16:23 |
| micahg | paul__: what video driver? | 16:23 |
| paul__ | one of the nvidia ones so yes, I know there's known issues | 16:23 |
| paul__ | but iirc, that was with 2 outputs | 16:24 |
| paul__ | I dont even have a monitor plugged in | 16:24 |
| paul__ | aqlthough I should probably look at how many vga slots are on the card at some point ;p | 16:24 |
| nuclear_eclipse | micahg: just ignore him, he's constantly breaking everything he touches ;) | 16:25 |
| paul__ | 31 packages can be updated. | 16:25 |
| micahg | paul__: please file bugs if you find stuff broke | 16:25 |
| paul__ | The following packages have been kept back: kdebase | 16:25 |
| paul__ | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. | 16:25 |
| paul__ | I went to ubuntu-bugs to ask what package under launchpad it should go | 16:26 |
| nuclear_eclipse | oh, no wonder | 16:26 |
| nuclear_eclipse | you're using kde | 16:26 |
| paul__ | got ignored :) | 16:26 |
| paul__ | or well, no one suggested anything useful so | 16:26 |
| micahg | paul__: you can ping me there :) | 16:26 |
| paul__ | I managed to find the bug about the debug symbols not matching for X server | 16:26 |
| micahg | paul__: the kde packages have dependencies that sometimes require waiting for all of them to build | 16:27 |
| paul__ | <spam> | 16:27 |
| paul__ | 0: /usr/bin/X (xorg_backtrace+0x3b) [0x80e937b] | 16:27 |
| paul__ | 1: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x61c7d) [0x80a9c7d] | 16:27 |
| paul__ | 2: (vdso) (__kernel_rt_sigreturn+0x0) [0x9fb410] | 16:27 |
| paul__ | 3: /usr/bin/X (InitOutput+0xcac) [0x80ba36c] | 16:27 |
| paul__ | 4: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x1ebbb) [0x8066bbb] | 16:27 |
| paul__ | 5: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (__libc_start_main+0xe6) [0xd1fbd6] | 16:27 |
| paul__ | 6: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x1e961) [0x8066961] | 16:27 |
| paul__ | Segmentation fault at address 0x18 | 16:27 |
| paul__ | </end spam> | 16:27 |
| paul__ | (--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 10de:002c:1048:0c25 nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] rev 21, Mem @ 0xfd000000/16777216, 0xf0000000/33554432, BIOS @ 0x????????/65536 | 16:27 |
| micahg | paul__: I think that bug is being discussed in #ubuntu-devel ATM | 16:29 |
| * paul__ joins | 16:29 | |
| paul__ | i was gonna wait until the rc tomorrow then file a regression bug if it was still broke | 16:29 |
| daryn | my laptop is broke for lucid too. ati vid card | 16:30 |
| nuclear_eclipse | hooray for intel video :P | 16:30 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: +1 | 16:30 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: is it normal for the conversation to tangent this far off topic in here? | 16:30 |
| paul__ | micahg: do they have people who can repro the bug? | 16:31 |
| nuclear_eclipse | I've had 0 problems with Lucid on my laptop, which tbh, is the first time I could ever say that about an UBuntu alpha/beta | 16:31 |
| paul__ | micahg: sure, depends who are around | 16:31 |
| nuclear_eclipse | def depends on who's here, usually it's tough to get any conversation at all, let alone anything that stays on topic :P | 16:31 |
| micahg | paul__: yeah, someone said they have a fix for the xorg dbg symbol issue | 16:31 |
| paul__ | ahh but not the 'crash'? | 16:32 |
| * micahg also has had very few issues with Lucid | 16:32 | |
| micahg | paul__: idk about the crash, I saw about the dbg symbol issue | 16:32 |
| paul__ | i'll ask | 16:32 |
| micahg | paul__: #ubuntu-x is a good place for that | 16:33 |
| paul__ | -x? | 16:33 |
| micahg | paul__: it's the Xorg team channel | 16:33 |
| micahg | paul__: a lot of teams have their own channels | 16:34 |
| paul__ | not listed on the irc channel list? | 16:34 |
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| micahg | paul__: probably an oversight | 16:35 |
| * micahg will check on it later | 16:35 | |
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| paul__ | micahg: I dont really see much point in opening a bug without symbols 5 days before a release :) | 16:39 |
| micahg | paul__: well, if there's a critical issue, opening the bug can get someone's attention and they can help you get whatever info is needed | 16:39 |
| nuclear_eclipse | micahg: back on topic of Mantis, does Ubuntu still run packages more or less straight from Debian, or have they broken away from that? | 16:40 |
| paul__ | micahg: you'd think you'd get someone's attention on irc if you wait long enough :P | 16:40 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: they stick with Debian if it's up to date and will package themselves if Debian is behind and an update is needed | 16:40 |
| paul__ | do you know anyone on the x tema? | 16:41 |
| micahg | paul__: true, that's probably teh fastest way to get someoen's attention | 16:41 |
| micahg | paul__: I've had contact with one of the people | 16:41 |
| paul__ | are they someone who's likely to be alive atm? ;p | 16:42 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: there are also various other reasons for deviating from Debian | 16:42 |
| paul__ | what I should probably do is grab the X source package | 16:42 |
| paul__ | and compile myself ;p | 16:42 |
| micahg | paul__: atm, idk, maybe, it's late in the day | 16:42 |
| paul__ | if I take a source package | 16:42 |
| paul__ | can I easily compile as ubuntu would have? | 16:42 |
| micahg | paul__: if you do it with pbuilder, probably | 16:43 |
| micahg | paul__: or any other clean build env | 16:43 |
| paul__ | hmm | 16:43 |
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| paul__ | I think the problem unfortunately | 16:46 |
| paul__ | is you probably get so many people who don't know how to use a pc asking questions | 16:46 |
| paul__ | i'll just sent a report | 16:49 |
| nuclear_eclipse | micahg: one more question, has ubuntu/debian ever fixed the issue with their package install/update cycle not setting the database_schema value in config_table? that's the single-biggest issue for people upgrading from a debian/ubuntu package to a tarball release, is they have to manually figure out and set the value in their database table | 16:52 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: I didn't know there was an issue | 16:52 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: do you have a bug #? | 16:53 |
| nuclear_eclipse | no, I'd complained to the previous debian maintainer and he said they knew about it, but I never followed up, and I just remembered about it | 16:53 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: I'll make a note to look into it | 16:54 |
| nuclear_eclipse | thanks | 16:54 |
| nuclear_eclipse | basically, the schema upgrade/migration in Mantis keeps track of the database schema revision # in the config_table, and uses that to figure out what schema changes to apply/ignore when running admin/install.php, and last I knew, the debian package ignored mantis' built-in upgrade/migration process, but failed to set the proper config value | 16:55 |
| nuclear_eclipse | the result is that when users try to upgrade from the debian install to a tarball release, the upgrade process fails because it thinks it needs to set up the entire database from scratch rather than just upgrading from an existing schema | 16:56 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: it should do whatever is necessary include that | 16:56 |
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| nuclear_eclipse | also, I do know that the old debian maintainer was having coniptions over the prospect of packaging 1.2 because it not only required changing schema, but running a lot of PHP code in the middle to migrate data from old formats to the new schema | 16:58 |
| nuclear_eclipse | so I'm not sure how all of that will or won't affect the efforts for approving 1.2 for Lucid... | 16:58 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: I didn't know it was that bad :(, I don't know if I have time to package all that... | 16:59 |
| paul__ | I don't see why they need to run their own schema stuff | 16:59 |
| micahg | paul__: so the admin has control over when it happens I would guess | 17:00 |
| paul__ | i mean | 17:00 |
| paul__ | they use their own schema generation code | 17:00 |
| nuclear_eclipse | because debian rolled their own database schema/migration system, and so they feel like they need to use it on everything for consistency? | 17:00 |
| nuclear_eclipse | I'd personally like to see debian/ubuntu move away from that and just point the user to admin/install.php when the package upgrade is done, either by opening a browser, or just telling them a URL to visit... | 17:01 |
| nuclear_eclipse | but I'd imagine that would be quite a political struggle to get that sort of behavior changed | 17:02 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: that's not likely to happen | 17:02 |
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| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: using dbconfig-common helps keep the logging and flow control in one place | 17:03 |
| nuclear_eclipse | tbh, that's why I tend to stay away from maintaining packages in distros; too much politics and posturing involved =\ | 17:03 |
| paul__ | ;) | 17:03 |
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| nuclear_eclipse | I'm fine with just testing things and reporting bugs here and there... | 17:04 |
| * micahg sees we're back to packaging vs tgz discussion :) | 17:04 | |
| nuclear_eclipse | I think it's more a matter of conflicting interests :P | 17:04 |
| paul__ | tbh | 17:04 |
| paul__ | at the point distribution takes mantis | 17:04 |
| paul__ | implement their own install routine | 17:05 |
| paul__ | and fiddle with the code | 17:05 |
| paul__ | I think there's almost a term for it | 17:05 |
| * paul__ thinks.... fork | 17:05 | |
| nuclear_eclipse | well, fork implies that you are no longer following the original project | 17:05 |
| paul__ | you aren't! | 17:06 |
| paul__ | it's different! | 17:06 |
| paul__ | talking of packages | 17:06 |
| paul__ | we should package mantis for MS's web platform installer | 17:06 |
| nuclear_eclipse | well, my point being that a fork of mantis would most likely be developing it in a different direction, rather than just being a modified mantis | 17:07 |
| paul__ | we should make a package for ubuntu | 17:07 |
| * nuclear_eclipse wonders how giallu packages mantis for Fedora | 17:07 | |
| * paul__ doesn't want to know | 17:08 | |
| nuclear_eclipse | ie, does Fedora have their own DB stuff that he uses similar to Debian, or is it closer to a tarball release | 17:08 |
| * paul__ doesn't want to know | 17:09 | |
| nuclear_eclipse | I wonder if it might be useful for some efforts to be put into making mantis' upgrade/migration process CLI friendly... | 17:09 |
| paul__ | I want us to look at the MS stuff | 17:09 |
| paul__ | for their 'web platform' | 17:10 |
| paul__ | so maybe we can take a proper look | 17:10 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: idk, that might help package maintainer adoption | 17:10 |
| nuclear_eclipse | micahg: if the upgrade process could run from php-cli, would that be packageable, or would deb/ubuntu still want to use their own database management stuff? | 17:10 |
| nuclear_eclipse | ie, make mantisbt depend on php5-cli? | 17:10 |
| micahg | nuclear_eclipse: idk, I'd have to check, I'm still new to the packaging space | 17:10 |
| * micahg would think it makes sense to stay as close to upstream procedures as possible, but that's MHO | 17:11 | |
| nuclear_eclipse | anywho, time for me to head out for the evening | 17:13 |
| nuclear_eclipse | cheers all | 17:13 |
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| dhx_m | hi all | 23:02 |
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