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| istvanb | hello! | 06:46 |
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| istvanb | I can not use the "assigned to" filter properly if the "all project" is selected. Then I see only the users with admin account. | 06:47 |
| istvanb | is this something mantis specific? | 06:47 |
| dhx1 | istvanb: hi | 06:48 |
| istvanb | hi | 06:48 |
| dhx1 | istvanb: I noticed you were trying to ask me a question the other day | 06:49 |
| istvanb | yeah :) | 06:49 |
| istvanb | I think I forgot about that... probably related one of your issues | 06:49 |
| istvanb | geez | 06:49 |
| istvanb | let me thing | 06:49 |
| istvanb | think | 06:49 |
| dhx1 | custom fields | 06:49 |
| istvanb | yeah | 06:50 |
| istvanb | I have asked the question on the forums | 06:50 |
| dhx1 | the problem you just described is because you're browsing in the "All projects" context and I imagine it is only returning a list of users who are able to be assigned to an issue in the global context | 06:50 |
| istvanb | I just tried to use cusom fields | 06:50 |
| dhx1 | it really needs to find users who can be assigned to an issue in *any* context | 06:51 |
| dhx1 | or more precisely, any child project of the root "ALL PROJECTS" | 06:51 |
| istvanb | ok... so lets back to the "all projects" issue first | 06:51 |
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| istvanb | I understand what you say, however it looks really inconvenient for me (user perspective) because if the given user has 10 projects then I can not get a quick overview of his workload | 06:52 |
| dhx1 | agreed | 06:52 |
| dhx1 | is there a bug for this issue? | 06:52 |
| istvanb | http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=4570 | 06:53 |
| istvanb | closed long long time ago | 06:53 |
| istvanb | it looks like it was fixed once | 06:54 |
| bartik2003 | at least in 1.1.6 it works. | 06:55 |
| istvanb | can anybody confirms that this is an issue with 1.2.3 ? | 06:56 |
| istvanb | I dont want to ring the bells before its clear that it is not related to my computer only | 06:56 |
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| bartik2003 | Just a quick look into the code but project_get_all_user_rows seems to return the right list in 1.2.3 | 07:02 |
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| istvanb | brb | 07:03 |
| dhx1 | thanks bartik2003 | 07:07 |
| bartik2003 | how can I submin minor changes ? | 07:08 |
| bartik2003 | you still have a weird file_get_extension | 07:08 |
| bartik2003 | :-) | 07:08 |
| bartik2003 | my version contains only this line: return pathinfo($p_filename, PATHINFO_EXTENSION); | 07:09 |
| dhx1 | the best approach is to file a new bug report with an attached patch in git format (git format-patch) | 07:09 |
| bartik2003 | it is not really a bug | 07:09 |
| bartik2003 | And my presumption is that pathinfo is utf8 safe... | 07:10 |
| bartik2003 | I see you have added tests, thats nice. | 07:10 |
| dhx1 | http://php.net/manual/en/function.pathinfo.php | 07:11 |
| dhx1 | I was trying to phase out "file_get_extension" completely | 07:11 |
| dhx1 | MantisBT 1.2.x already uses fileinfo (magicdb MIME detection) to determine file types instead of the naive file extension approach | 07:12 |
| istvanb | guys I am sorry I had to be away... | 07:13 |
| istvanb | so can anybody confirms that the filtering thing is an issue with 1.2.3? | 07:13 |
| bartik2003 | Hmm. Would this detected a csv file ? I see only text/plain :-) | 07:14 |
| bartik2003 | Another thing I have noticed. the gpc_ is working with _POST _GET etc. you coud use _REQUEST http://php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.request.php | 07:15 |
| dhx1 | bartik2003: it isn't that smart AFAIK, but it can determine binary file formats more accurately | 07:15 |
| bartik2003 | dhx1: that is ok. I just meant that sometimes the extension can come handy. | 07:15 |
| dhx1 | bartik2003: perhaps file extensions still have some use as overrides for cases where MIME detection isn't possible (CSV files, etc) | 07:15 |
| bartik2003 | dhx1: to be honest I was now almost year and a half tinkering with mantis. Somehaow I became to like it :-) | 07:18 |
| istvanb | hello hello hello hello :) | 07:18 |
| istvanb | dont forget about the filtering thing :) | 07:18 |
| bartik2003 | dhx1: Have you ever thought about moving the languages into the database ? | 07:20 |
| dhx1 | bartik2003: I think it tends to be easy to customise (whether via configuration options or via hacking the code) | 07:20 |
| dhx1 | bartik2003: not at this stage, what benefits would it bring? | 07:20 |
| dhx1 | It'd actually be pretty easy to implement | 07:21 |
| istvanb | brb | 07:21 |
| dhx1 | (in a naive form with 1 query per string) | 07:21 |
| dhx1 | istvanb: can you file a bug report describing the issue? | 07:21 |
| bartik2003 | Well the whole thing about moving all or as much components to the dabase would give you the possibility to move onlz the database and have functioning install. Like backup copies, test systems... | 07:21 |
| dhx1 | I agree | 07:22 |
| bartik2003 | Somehow I'm a bit influenced by SAP... | 07:22 |
| dhx1 | but to move languages (and configuration) entirely into the database I think we'd need to restructure most of the code | 07:22 |
| istvanb | ok | 07:23 |
| dhx1 | well actually maybe not... | 07:23 |
| bartik2003 | Another thing I have hit lately is initiating long running processes like importing large csv files. | 07:23 |
| dhx1 | it depends on the efficiency of loading 1000's of language strings from the database indiscriminately or whether it is better to select only strings which are required (using huge SELECT queries) | 07:24 |
| dhx1 | both approaches seem very ugly/slow to me | 07:24 |
| bartik2003 | Thought about the db caching of SQL statements ? | 07:25 |
| bartik2003 | http://www.databasejournal.com/features/mysql/article.php/3110171/MySQLs-Query-Cache.htm | 07:25 |
| bartik2003 | mantis has a caching mechanism of course but one on the DB level might help too I just don't have that big of a db to test with... | 07:27 |
| dhx1 | yep we'd need to test to see whether it's still efficient to load language data from the database with SQL server caching | 07:27 |
| dhx1 | as the queries required could contain 100+ conditions (WHERE translation_key='username' OR translation_key='password'....) | 07:28 |
| bartik2003 | sorry when I'm too overwhelming. I just don't get that much time if any to chat about mantis. | 07:29 |
| bartik2003 | why that much conditions ? to be honest I have seen onlz the lang_api.php code where I did my changes (project dependent translation) | 07:30 |
| dhx1 | we've already got a huge list of other priorities to sort through, so I don't see languages moving to the database any time soon (cost vs benefit isn't strong enough) | 07:31 |
| dhx1 | well the alternative is to retrieve 5000 translation strings (or whatever it could turn out to be) from the database on each page load | 07:31 |
| dhx1 | which is a few megabytes at a time (let's say 3MB) | 07:31 |
| dhx1 | I know it can be cached, but it still seems like a lot of overhead for little gain | 07:32 |
| bartik2003 | Is this huge list accessible ? | 07:33 |
| dhx1 | bartik2003: the #1 priority is really a UI redesign of MantisBT (which requires separation of logic and UI code, replacement of key parts of the UI API, etc) | 07:34 |
| dhx1 | then we have other issues such as custom field functionality, user groups, authentication and access control, etc | 07:34 |
| bartik2003 | Don't get me wrong i'm not looking to request this. I see this rather as my hobby implementation :-) | 07:34 |
| dhx1 | if you'd like to do some work towards this issue, please feel free to do so | 07:35 |
| bartik2003 | I did use custom fields extension from http://deboutv.free.fr/mantis/ | 07:35 |
| dhx1 | but as with all large undertakings, it is best to communicate on the mantisbt-dev mailing list to make sure you get some advice/feedback first :) | 07:35 |
| dhx1 | those plugins are for MantisBT 1.1.x only though | 07:35 |
| dhx1 | MantisBT 1.2.x has it's own new plugin system | 07:36 |
| bartik2003 | dhx1: of course I't would be shame to not get a advice and then realize somebody else did it better :-) | 07:36 |
| dhx1 | bartik2003: well more to the point, to make sure that the theory is tested before many hours are wasted on something that will never work :) | 07:37 |
| dhx1 | for instance, sending off 100-200 queries per page load would be unacceptable | 07:37 |
| dhx1 | and perhaps requesting 3MB of language strings from the database is also horrible in terms of performance (I'm almost certain it would be) | 07:37 |
| bartik2003 | Yes I know about the 1.2.x plugin szstem will have to move there. But when I started 1.1.6 was the newest and I have done some customizing like avatars, csv importing... | 07:38 |
| bartik2003 | dhx: but given that in most cases you are using onlz 1/2 languages having those 3MB cached (for the whole language) might be advantageous. | 07:40 |
| dhx1 | bartik2003: the problem is likely going to be PHP's performance with accessing the array of data returned by the database query functions | 07:41 |
| dhx1 | bartik2003: however it could turn out to be high performance... it's just a matter of running tests to see whether it is a viable option | 07:42 |
| istvanb | dhx1: yeah, no probs | 07:42 |
| bartik2003 | dhx1: ever thought about using an existing framework ? | 07:43 |
| dhx1 | bartik2003: yep there has been a bit of discussion about using Zend in MantisBT (especially for authentication) | 07:43 |
| bartik2003 | wouldn't that imply licensing (using zend) | 07:45 |
| bartik2003 | ah I see BSD and Apache licenses. | 07:45 |
| dhx1 | http://framework.zend.com/license | 07:46 |
| dhx1 | modified BSD license | 07:46 |
| bartik2003 | well I wasn't aiming that high :-) I was looking at something like cake, radicore seems nice but has to be licensed and a bung of other things... but radicore is worth reading http://www.tonymarston.net/php-mysql/data-dictionary.html for example | 07:50 |
| istvanb | I have filed an issue: http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=12501 | 07:52 |
| dhx1 | istvanb: thanks | 07:52 |
| istvanb | I know you guys are busy with the secret php code of the nuclear silo, but can I ask my question about the custom fields? | 07:53 |
| dhx1 | bartik2003: yeah there are a lot frameworks out there (one of the common complaints about PHP programmers is their tendency to create n+1000 new frameworks :p) | 07:54 |
| nuclear_eclipse | the worst part is seeing frameworks for your frameworks | 07:55 |
| dhx1 | nuclear_eclipse: haha | 07:55 |
| nuclear_eclipse | "here's a framework framework to create frameworks for your framework" | 07:55 |
| istvanb | I am just wondering if I have a custom enum, and the Required on report is off as well as the display on report then I guess the enum should be stored with its default value. Is this something what you guys plan? | 07:56 |
| bartik2003 | we'll never used anz of those frameworks not that I didn't try but perhaps it's just that for my small projects a framework is an overkill... | 07:56 |
| dhx1 | I'm trying to work out why someone would use PHP instead of C++ if you're going to get serious with a website | 07:56 |
| dhx1 | *web app | 07:56 |
| nuclear_eclipse | dhx1: PHP scales really well for a dynamic language, and is a lot easier and faster to write and deploy with than C++ | 07:57 |
| dhx1 | well I guess you don't need to compile it after each code change | 07:57 |
| nuclear_eclipse | ntm that there are very few "good" HTTP interaction models for C++ | 07:58 |
| bartik2003 | scripting languages have that nice thing that they can generate themselves on the fly :-D | 07:58 |
| nuclear_eclipse | exactly | 07:58 |
| dhx1 | but then you have downsides: bad debugging abilities, poor performance, etc | 07:58 |
| dhx1 | what's wrong with "make"? :p | 07:58 |
| bartik2003 | I was looking lately at this (in conjuction with cpp) http://www.ultimatepp.org/ | 07:59 |
| nuclear_eclipse | you can't exactly have a C++ program dynamically route URLs like "/<class>/<action>" without somehow linking in all those classes/actions ahead of time, which kind of defeahs the purpose of dynamic routing | 07:59 |
| nuclear_eclipse | dhx1: with xdebug + eclipse, PHP is actually really nice to debug, a lot better to debug than C++ in fact | 08:00 |
| dhx1 | I assume you're referring to plugins with your comment about routing? | 08:01 |
| nuclear_eclipse | not necessarily | 08:01 |
| nuclear_eclipse | http://codeigniter.com/user_guide/general/routing.html | 08:01 |
| nuclear_eclipse | I use CI for the application I'm currently working on for my employer, and you can set up routing patterns that map to class/method names and after defining the patterns, creating "new routes" is as simple as dropping a new file/class into the controllers directory | 08:03 |
| dhx1 | I'm not sure I see the problem... wouldn't you just write a "router" within the core of the C++ web app that allows URLs to be registered against callbacks? | 08:03 |
| dhx1 | so any request in the format \/bugs\/.+ (regex) would be routed to a callback that is designed to handle requests to view a bug? | 08:04 |
| nuclear_eclipse | the difference is that in C++ you would have to have a well-defined method for linking/registering all the routes/classes/methods that you have, as opposed to being able to just blindly load/call methods on the fly | 08:04 |
| dhx1 | dynamic library loading? | 08:05 |
| nuclear_eclipse | the point is that in PHP, it can just dynamically search and execute classes without ever having to know about them ahead of time | 08:05 |
| nuclear_eclipse | in C++, you have to define all of your applications interacitons ahead of time before you can start using them | 08:05 |
| dhx1 | yep | 08:05 |
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| dhx1 | bug you could also load a plugin dynamic link library and have it register a callback upon loading? | 08:06 |
| nuclear_eclipse | yes, but it's the act of having to register a set of callbacks that is defining the actions ahead of time -- you have to code that registration for every class/route ahead of time | 08:07 |
| nuclear_eclipse | in something like CI, *all you have to do* is create a new method on your class, and that's it | 08:07 |
| nuclear_eclipse | or create a new class altogether | 08:07 |
| nuclear_eclipse | there's no need to write code to register your classes/methods with routes | 08:08 |
| dhx1 | ah I see | 08:08 |
| dhx1 | it's automagic | 08:08 |
| nuclear_eclipse | and if you really want the performance of C++, just do what Facebook does | 08:09 |
| nuclear_eclipse | http://github.com/facebook/hiphop-php/wiki | 08:10 |
| dhx1 | hmm | 08:12 |
| dhx1 | you don't get type safety with that though | 08:12 |
| nuclear_eclipse | but the reality is that straight PHP+APC is almost always more than you will ever need | 08:12 |
| dhx1 | yep | 08:12 |
| dhx1 | for MantisBT I would have thought the concern is more with database design | 08:13 |
| nuclear_eclipse | exactly, Mantis is extremely inefficient, which is more of a problem than a slow interpreter | 08:13 |
| dhx1 | I'm not sure if you've tested the performance of queries with 100+ WHERE conditions vs. returning 3000+ rows of data and parsing with PHP? | 08:15 |
| dhx1 | I was discussing this before with bartik2003 in relation to storing translations in the database | 08:15 |
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| nuclear_eclipse | dhx1: it's a matter of where you want the processing load | 08:17 |
| dhx1 | probably at the SQL server end where it's running as compiled machine code... complete with query caching, etc | 08:17 |
| nuclear_eclipse | I've never tested it, but I would imagine that you'd be better off leaving the filtering to the database, to reduce memory and transfer overhead, even if you do remaining sorting in the codebase | 08:18 |
| dhx1 | I guess it'd be highly dependant on the efficiency of each SQL server | 08:18 |
| nuclear_eclipse | ntm the database is (usually) already extremely optimized for the filtering tasks, as opposed to having to write your own filtering code | 08:18 |
| dhx1 | yep | 08:19 |
| nuclear_eclipse | anyways, I gotta go to work | 08:19 |
| nuclear_eclipse | I'll leave you with this: http://devzone.zend.com/article/2803-Introducing-xdebug | 08:19 |
| dhx1 | ok ttyl :) | 08:19 |
| nuclear_eclipse | blows C++ out of the water as far as I'm concerned | 08:20 |
| nuclear_eclipse | cheers | 08:20 |
| dhx1 | C++ = gdb though :) | 08:20 |
| dhx1 | oops now I remember, it has a remote ability to wait for a debugger (gdb) to attach to the PHP process | 08:21 |
| dhx1 | ignore that previous comment | 08:22 |
| bartik2003 | sorry I was dancing ddr winx club with my daugters | 08:27 |
| bartik2003 | so the next step is configure a big cache for mysql :-) | 08:27 |
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