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| Hardisk | Hello | 08:33 |
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| Hardisk | quick question | 08:33 |
| Hardisk | Is there a way to use Mantis without having the user to receive an email to create the account? | 08:34 |
| Hardisk | I don't want to run a mail server on the machine | 08:34 |
| daryn | Hardisk: you'll have to manually blank the passwords and let the users set their own I think. | 08:39 |
| Hardisk | ? | 08:39 |
| Hardisk | Mantis is now built in a way that allow registration without emailing? | 08:39 |
| daryn | well...i think you can do it...not sure it will work smoothly | 08:40 |
| daryn | if you set the config g_send_reset_password = OFF... | 08:41 |
| daryn | then in the manage user pages click reset password it sets them to blank allowing the user to login and create their own password | 08:41 |
| Hardisk | uh | 08:41 |
| Hardisk | but that's for reseting pass, not creating a new acc, is it, | 08:41 |
| Hardisk | ? | 08:41 |
| daryn | just a sec let me try something | 08:42 |
| Hardisk | sure | 08:42 |
| daryn | oh yeah... | 08:44 |
| daryn | you can disable email notifications but that does not stop the signup emails. if there is no server then the user will not receive the verification email...however you should be able to configure a remote mail server for it to work | 08:46 |
| daryn | you could manually check for new accounts periodically (shorter than 7 days i think) and bypass the verification but that would be rather tedious. | 08:47 |
| Hardisk | meh :/ | 08:48 |
| Hardisk | Isn't there any bugtracker that allow no email registration? | 08:48 |
| daryn | no idea | 08:48 |
| daryn | how many users are you expecting? | 08:48 |
| Hardisk | well | 08:51 |
| Hardisk | dunno | 08:51 |
| Hardisk | 10-50 | 08:51 |
| daryn | are these known users or signups from the net? | 08:51 |
| Hardisk | signups | 08:54 |
| daryn | that makes no email a bit more difficult. Net signup with no confirmation email means you'll have hundreds, thousands, or more spam bots signed up in your tracker. | 08:56 |
| Hardisk | captcha | 08:56 |
| Hardisk | :D | 08:56 |
| daryn | yeah...cracked | 08:57 |
| Hardisk | well nop | 08:58 |
| Hardisk | I never had issues with captcha | 08:58 |
| Hardisk | cracking libs for real captcha's does not exist | 08:58 |
| daryn | k. well, anyway i don't know off the top of my head any trackers that don't require email. you'd have to manually intervene using mantis as is. | 08:59 |
| Hardisk | okay | 08:59 |
| Hardisk | thanks | 08:59 |
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| jreese | 08:58 < Hardisk> cracking libs for real captcha's does not exist | 09:07 |
| jreese | lolz | 09:07 |
| daryn | yup | 09:07 |
| jreese | I wouldn't consider mantis' captcha "real" by any stretch | 09:08 |
| jreese | more like "real pitiful"... | 09:08 |
| daryn | lol | 09:08 |
| jreese | I can't think of any captcha system that hasn't been broken by spammers, even reCaptcha | 09:09 |
| daryn | that's what i thought... | 09:10 |
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| paulr | @seen dhx1 | 15:16 |
| foobot | paulr: dhx1 was last seen in #mantishelp 18 weeks, 3 days, 18 hours, 40 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <dhx1> when I get a few spare moments I'll help him git learning git (not that I'm much of an expert) | 15:16 |
| paulr | @seen dhx2 | 15:16 |
| foobot | paulr: dhx2 was last seen in #mantishelp 1 week, 5 days, 13 hours, 22 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <dhx2> jreese: hi :) | 15:16 |
| paulr | :( | 15:16 |
| daryn | @seen dhx1 | 15:16 |
| foobot | daryn: dhx1 was last seen in #mantishelp 18 weeks, 3 days, 18 hours, 40 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <dhx1> when I get a few spare moments I'll help him git learning git (not that I'm much of an expert) | 15:16 |
| paulr | hopefully I'll catch up with dhx tonight | 15:26 |
| paulr | daryn: what db backend's do you run? | 16:00 |
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| daryn | paulr: just mysql | 16:11 |
| daryn | i installed pgsql but never got mantis running on it | 16:11 |
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| dhx1 | daryn: I'm back :) | 20:40 |
| daryn | dhx1: hello | 20:40 |
| daryn | working on a template branch again | 20:42 |
| daryn | going well i think. i should have a working branch on github by monday i think. | 20:43 |
| dhx1 | daryn: PHPTAL? | 20:44 |
| daryn | by default anyway | 20:45 |
| dhx1 | I really don't see why we'd ever want more than one system | 21:00 |
| dhx1 | I have to go through a backlog of 130 MantisBT emails now :) | 21:00 |
| dhx1 | could be so much more | 21:00 |
| daryn | i doubt if there will be more than one but i thought i'd make it relatively easy to swap out engines if somebody wanted to. some people really like smarty | 21:26 |
| dhx1 | smarty doesn't really have an advantage over using pure PHP | 21:27 |
| dhx1 | most of the benefit of using PHPTAL is the XHTML syntax - which makes it easy to validate templates, etc | 21:27 |
| dhx1 | daryn: are you able to split your work into html_api changes (and/or whatever you're using for the core templating code) and then one we're happy with that we can start moving templates across? | 21:29 |
| dhx1 | daryn: one of the things I really want to get started on is separating code and content from our existing HTML markup in each frontend .php file | 21:30 |
| dhx1 | daryn: similar to what Victor did with view, update, report, etc pages... it is a lot easier to go from that stage directly to supporting templates IMO | 21:30 |
| CIA-27 | Mantisbt: hickseydr * r42ec45f362b8 /core/filter_api.php: Use label tags for filter search box | 22:01 |
| CIA-27 | Mantisbt: hickseydr * r88f7416d24ab /view_all_inc.php: Use label tag for "Select All" checkbox on view_all_bug_page | 22:01 |
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| CIA-27 | Mantisbt: hickseydr * r931d19e7a57c /bug_monitor_list_view_inc.php: Use label tag for "Username" text box in the bug monitor list | 22:10 |
| CIA-27 | Mantisbt: hickseydr * rd6b9f244e4c6 /bugnote_add_inc.php: Use label tag for view status checkbox in bugnote add form | 22:10 |
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| daryn | dhx1: still there? | 22:53 |
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| dhx1 | daryn: yeah | 23:06 |
| dhx1 | daryn: can I help with the branch? :) | 23:06 |
| daryn | sure | 23:06 |
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| daryn | so, i'm leaving html api untouched but copying all the functionality into MantisTemplate | 23:07 |
| dhx1 | from your work with PHPTAL, do you think it's generally viable to deprecate print_api/etc with templating? | 23:07 |
| dhx1 | yep | 23:07 |
| dhx1 | I recon it'd be best to keep both systems side by side | 23:07 |
| daryn | i believe so | 23:07 |
| dhx1 | then only remove the old crap when the transition is complete | 23:07 |
| daryn | it may take some time but I'm replacing some of the functions as I go | 23:07 |
| daryn | yep | 23:07 |
| dhx1 | did I have discussions with you (or maybe it was Paul) about namespaces? | 23:08 |
| daryn | don't think it was me | 23:08 |
| dhx1 | essentially I was wondering whether we should bump minimum requirements to PHP 5.3 and use namespaces in PHP | 23:08 |
| daryn | hm...i haven't looked at that before. initial glance looks interesting | 23:10 |
| dhx1 | "The PHP development team would like to announce the immediate availability of PHP 5.2.16. This release marks the end of support for PHP 5.2. All users of PHP 5.2 are encouraged to upgrade to PHP 5.3." | 23:10 |
| dhx1 | from php.net, second article down | 23:10 |
| dhx1 | dated 16-Dec-2010 | 23:10 |
| dhx1 | the latest Debian and Redhat have PHP 5.3 too | 23:11 |
| dhx1 | I'll go to the mailing list | 23:11 |
| daryn | well...many/most? on rh do not upgrade unless held at gunpoint | 23:12 |
| daryn | at least that's been my experience | 23:14 |
| dhx1 | they can (and will) continue to use MantisBT 1.2.x in that case | 23:15 |
| daryn | touche | 23:15 |
| dhx1 | I say "will" because of their preference to use stable software | 23:15 |
| daryn | so...'screw em!' :) | 23:15 |
| daryn | i'm also moving api functionality into classes and then calling class functions from the old apis. I've done this with config and lang as it makes template vars much easier in most cases. you can see the start of that with MantisConfig on my github mantis-template branch | 23:18 |
| dhx1 | my main reason for wanting to move to PHP 5.3 is the namespace support... it'll make it much easier for us to write clean OO code that way | 23:19 |
| dhx1 | no need to have class names such as MantisTemplateProvider, etc | 23:19 |
| daryn | we have MantisEnum, i created MantisConfig and MantisLang...so this means we would declare the namespace as Mantis and then just Enum, Config, and Lang? | 23:20 |
| dhx1 | correct | 23:24 |
| dhx1 | and then break those namespaces down even further if needed | 23:24 |
| dhx1 | plugins could also have their own namespaces | 23:24 |
| daryn | that would be useful | 23:25 |
| dhx1 | In C++ style (PHP is different): mantis::configuration, mantis::authentication, mantis::templating, mantis::translation, etc... whatever we chose | 23:26 |
| daryn | i like that better than php syntax i think... | 23:27 |
| dhx1 | everyone does :) | 23:27 |
| daryn | Mantis\Template bleh! | 23:28 |
| dhx1 | it's still better than not having namespaces IMO | 23:28 |
| daryn | yeah | 23:34 |
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