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| dregad | hi dhx1 | 05:12 |
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| dregad | I opened and assigned an issue to you on 1.3.x, due to error messages XML parsing error | 05:13 |
| dregad | http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=13304 | 05:14 |
| dregad | John said it was because of strict XHTML checking you introduced | 05:17 |
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| dhx1 | dregad: thanks, it sounds like an extra </div> is being added by mistake | 07:38 |
| dhx1 | dregad: I'm not sure whether I'll fix it straight away because the 'next' branch rewrites the error handling code anyway | 07:38 |
| dhx1 | dregad: I guess it depends on how soon I can get the new branch merged back in | 07:38 |
| * jreese still thinks we should drop xhtml | 07:39 | |
| jreese | imo, anything that causes the entire page to not render over an extra tag is just shooting ourselves in the foot | 07:40 |
| jreese | if you want to ensure proper markup, use an external markup validator | 07:41 |
| dhx1 | it's easy to switch off application/xhtml+xml output (just change the Content-Type header) | 07:52 |
| * jreese votes for that | 08:02 | |
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| asm89 | html5 | 08:48 |
| asm89 | jaj | 08:48 |
| jreese | what asm89 said | 08:48 |
| asm89 | :P | 08:50 |
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| dhx1 | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jaj | 09:01 |
| dhx1 | had to look it up :o | 09:02 |
| dregad | dhx1: Your request to "www.urbandictionary.com/define.php" was denied because of its content categorization: "Adult/Mature Content | 09:04 |
| dregad | ;) | 09:04 |
| dregad | this is what the proxy here at work said... | 09:04 |
| jreese | lol | 09:04 |
| dhx1 | dregad: haha | 09:04 |
| jreese | there's a reason I don't let my traffic go through corporate proxies... | 09:04 |
| jreese | ssh+corkscrew+squid ftw | 09:05 |
| dhx1 | "oh, I need to use SSH for retrieving open source repositories and committing to them"... (ssh tunnelling heh) | 09:05 |
| jreese | dhx1: basically :P | 09:06 |
| jreese | except with corkscrew, they don't even need to approve of it | 09:06 |
| dregad | traffic goes through https ? | 09:06 |
| jreese | corkscrew routes ssh traffic through an https proxy | 09:07 |
| dregad | smart | 09:07 |
| jreese | yep, so basically the only way they could "stop" you is by filtering your ssh endpoint | 09:07 |
| jreese | but that's assuming someone is actually looking at the proxy data hard enough to notice your traffic | 09:07 |
| dregad | and you setup your own proxy on a server outside | 09:08 |
| jreese | yep | 09:08 |
| jreese | and then set up your local machine to route all network traffic through the ssh tunnel | 09:08 |
| dhx1 | sounds like a lot of marketing departments... "we need to use Facebook to engage our clients using new social media techniques" = "we need to chat to our friends during the day" | 09:08 |
| dregad | yeah - that's how corporate communications justified access to youtube & co here ;-) | 09:09 |
| dregad | i'll have a look at it | 09:09 |
| dregad | dh1x: no worries about not fixing this now, it's non-blocking anyway (just a bit harder to read error messages) | 09:10 |
| jreese | I actually run my IRC client on my server, so I just use ssh to simultaneously connect to my IRC client and to proxy my network traffic :P | 09:10 |
| dregad | jreese: xchat can work through a socks proxy so I don't need to bother with this for IRC | 09:11 |
| dhx1 | dregad: ok :) | 09:11 |
| jreese | dregad: I have a bit more complicated setup :P | 09:11 |
| jreese | I'm actually in the middle of doing a writeup on it: http://preview.noswap.com/articles/irc/ | 09:11 |
| dhx1 | jreese: nice setup | 09:15 |
| jreese | thanks | 09:15 |
| * dregad thinks jreese has too much time on his hands :P | 09:15 | |
| jreese | lol | 09:15 |
| jreese | you know, sometimes I don't have enough to do at work ;) | 09:15 |
| dregad | but, as I said before -- smart | 09:15 |
| dhx1 | jreese: is the bouncer necessary if you're running irssi on a remote server? | 09:17 |
| jreese | dhx1: it is if I want to also be able to connect from my mobile chat clients | 09:18 |
| dhx1 | jreese: or can you only connect to one screen at a time? | 09:18 |
| dhx1 | in better detail: you can't connect multiple client terminals to the same screen session? | 09:18 |
| dhx1 | jreese: I should do a write up of my email stack (I know you started one a while ago) | 09:19 |
| jreese | you can, but an ssh client isn't the best way to chat from a phone, so I use a separate IRC client on my phone, and the bouncer allows both the phone and irssi to be connected at the same time | 09:19 |
| dhx1 | jreese: I think mine would be quite similar: postfix, dovecot (IMAPX), dspam, dovecot-antispam (plugin for retraining spam when you move it between folders) | 09:20 |
| dhx1 | aha | 09:20 |
| asm89 | jreese: irsii, no weechat? :P | 09:44 |
| jreese | weechat? | 09:45 |
| asm89 | i swapped irssi for weechat some while ago | 09:45 |
| asm89 | maybe you like it too :) | 09:45 |
| jreese | lol, not so subtle background image: http://www.weechat.org/screenshots/ | 09:48 |
| jreese | looks like weechat is optimized for use in large terminals | 09:49 |
| jreese | has a bit more going on in their screenshots than I would care for | 09:50 |
| jreese | I tend to use Irssi from a 100-120 wide terminal, and usually only about 24 lines vertical | 09:51 |
| jreese | at which point, I'm not sure what weechat offers that Irssi doesn't already cover in a rock solid package | 09:51 |
| jreese | but it does look interesting | 09:52 |
| asm89 | jreese: http://www.weechat.org/media/images/screenshots/medium/weechat_2007-01-13_palm.jpg | 09:54 |
| asm89 | ;P | 09:54 |
| jreese | yeah, it takes up half the screen with meta text :P | 09:54 |
| jreese | and that still looks like it's running wider than 100 chars | 09:54 |
| asm89 | yeah :P | 09:54 |
| asm89 | but maybe you'll like it, as i former irssi user i thought i'd show you :) | 09:55 |
| jreese | thanks | 09:55 |
| asm89 | i like the sane defaults of nick highlighting etc | 09:55 |
| asm89 | i don't use splits etc | 09:56 |
| asm89 | i guess you can use it on small terminals also: http://data.glacicle.org/screens/6mon.medium.png | 09:56 |
| asm89 | :P | 09:56 |
| jreese | not sure what the point of having that many monitors is when they all have a bunch of tiny terminals on them.... | 09:57 |
| asm89 | haha | 09:57 |
| asm89 | :P | 09:57 |
| jreese | I grasp the need for two monitors; I have a pair of high-res wide screens at home | 09:58 |
| jreese | but once you get past two, you can't possibly be paying attention to that much at once | 09:58 |
| asm89 | agree | 09:59 |
| asm89 | i've got three @work | 09:59 |
| jreese | you'd be better off putting all those channels into a single window with an activity indicator | 09:59 |
| asm89 | one monitor is outlook 2010 in a vm, and web browser | 09:59 |
| asm89 | one is ssh/vim/other | 10:00 |
| asm89 | and one is irc | 10:00 |
| asm89 | i used 1 monitor before, but when i found out my laptop could handle 2 extra screens my boss ordered not 1 but 2 external monitors | 10:00 |
| jreese | I have a company-issued laptop sitting next to my workstation that only runs outlook and vpn for when I work from home, and everything else is done from a Linux box | 10:01 |
| asm89 | i run linux on the company laptop that sits nicely docked in its docking station :) | 10:02 |
| jreese | biggest reason to have two monitors imo is having fullscreen vim on one, and browser on the other, so there's no need to constantly switch the foreground app when working on web apps | 10:02 |
| jreese | but then again, I'm also heretical in prefering a white background for my terminals... | 10:03 |
| asm89 | hehe | 10:04 |
| asm89 | :P | 10:04 |
| asm89 | quite the same here, but when my boss came up with the extra monitor i didn't complain ;) | 10:04 |
| asm89 | so vim user, irssi user | 10:04 |
| asm89 | aha! screen user | 10:06 |
| jreese | I still use Thunderbird for email, and Chrome for web :P | 10:06 |
| asm89 | jreese: do you know byobu? | 10:06 |
| jreese | yeah, I had a custom screen theme before byobu made it cool ;) | 10:06 |
| asm89 | outlook 2010 was the only thing that i had to run (company policy) so that's a vm | 10:07 |
| asm89 | hehe ok | 10:07 |
| asm89 | :P | 10:07 |
| asm89 | just checking | 10:07 |
| asm89 | :P | 10:07 |
| asm89 | tiling wm? ;P | 10:07 |
| jreese | I used to use Fluxbox, but Gnome won me back with all of its niceties that automate much of modern desktop living | 10:08 |
| asm89 | hm | 10:08 |
| asm89 | can't you run fluxbox IN gnome? :P | 10:08 |
| jreese | things like automatic volume mounting, media keys, a nice control panel, etc | 10:09 |
| jreese | no, you can run gnome-settings-daemon alongside gnome, but you can't run fluxbox in gnome-session | 10:09 |
| asm89 | i run awesomewm, and i know you can use it as a window manager for grome | 10:09 |
| asm89 | *gnome | 10:09 |
| jreese | I've tried a couple of hte tiling wms, awesome and monad, but I just didn't like the way they work | 10:10 |
| asm89 | hm. i guess they do the gnome-settings-daemon trick | 10:10 |
| asm89 | ah, i thought they were all the same | 10:10 |
| jreese | I like having specific sizes to certain windows, and I don't want them constantly resizing based on what's active or inactive | 10:10 |
| asm89 | :P | 10:10 |
| asm89 | apart from some configuration of course | 10:11 |
| asm89 | resizing based on what's (in)active? | 10:11 |
| jreese | some of them have features the others don't, like some allow floating windows, some support customizable status bars, etc | 10:11 |
| jreese | the whole point of tiling multiple windows on screen breaks the ability for me to, eg, have all of my browser windows always set to 1000px wide | 10:12 |
| asm89 | ah, fluxbox isn't just tiling | 10:12 |
| jreese | or all of my non-fullscreen terminals to always run at 120 characters wide | 10:13 |
| jreese | fluxbox isn't a tiling wm at all | 10:13 |
| asm89 | no i just saw that :) | 10:13 |
| asm89 | i configured awesome to float certain apps | 10:14 |
| jreese | best part about fluxbox is that it stays out of the way, and the desktop becomes your context menu, but it doesn't provide any sort of modern features, which is why I switched to Gnome around the time 2.24 was stable | 10:14 |
| asm89 | ah ok | 10:15 |
| asm89 | :) | 10:15 |
| jreese | gnome-settings-daemon did well enough for a while, but it doesn't give you everything a full gnome session does | 10:15 |
| asm89 | in awesome you can also provide configuration for each app (eg firefox -> width: 1000px) | 10:16 |
| asm89 | but i get that gnome gives you much more :) | 10:16 |
| jreese | gnome3 is actually really nice | 10:16 |
| asm89 | since you already use vim, that's the end of my un asked for tool advice :P | 10:16 |
| jreese | combine it with some hotkeys and a launching app like Synapse, and it's just as fast as a tiling wm, but looks better :P | 10:17 |
| asm89 | haha | 10:17 |
| asm89 | well that's a matter of taste i guess ;) | 10:17 |
| jreese | also gets first-party support from distros, which goes a long way tbh | 10:17 |
| asm89 | running arch, so quite used to figuring out my own stuff :P | 10:18 |
| asm89 | when you don't need automatic mounting, wifi systrays, etc etc, then you're not missing a lot of gnome i guess | 10:19 |
| jreese | yeah, I used Gentoo for a while until I realized just how much time I was wasting dealing with packages and compiles, and I've used Ubuntu ever since | 10:19 |
| asm89 | :P | 10:19 |
| asm89 | well gentoo is really hardcore :P | 10:19 |
| jreese | the best part about Gentoo was just the ability to stay on bleeding edge of upstream packages, but these days, if I really want that, there's almost always a PPA repository that I can add to my package manager | 10:21 |
| jreese | and since it's all pre-compiled packages, it's very easy and fast to install something new | 10:21 |
| asm89 | true | 10:22 |
| asm89 | same reason that i choose arch | 10:23 |
| asm89 | but that doesn't come with all the compiling | 10:23 |
| jreese | eg, Git is something I want to keep up to date, but I want to run the stable Ubuntu LTS on my server, so I just add the git-core PPA to my server, and it gets bleeding edge Git while retaining a totally stable core system | 10:23 |
| asm89 | quite frustrating though to have centos5 running on prod/dev server when you're running bleeding edge packages yourself :P | 10:23 |
| asm89 | ~ $ /bin/ls --version | 10:24 |
| asm89 | ls (GNU coreutils) 5.9 | 10:24 |
| asm89 | xD | 10:24 |
| jreese | yeah, that's why I use Ubuntu's LTS instead of Centos; PPA fantasticness | 10:24 |
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| asm89 | that version of ls doesn't have --directories-first | 10:24 |
| asm89 | :< | 10:24 |
| jreese | lol, even on my LTS: | 10:25 |
| jreese | jreese@dyson ~ ยป /bin/ls --version | 10:25 |
| jreese | ls (GNU coreutils) 7.4 | 10:25 |
| asm89 | yeah | 10:25 |
| asm89 | :P | 10:25 |
| asm89 | and for the idea | 10:25 |
| asm89 | ~ $ ls --version | 10:25 |
| asm89 | ls (GNU coreutils) 8.12 | 10:25 |
| asm89 | :P | 10:25 |
| asm89 | haha | 10:25 |
| jreese | I just want to know how much do they really need to continually change ls? :P | 10:26 |
| jreese | I mean, it's ls | 10:26 |
| jreese | it's not rocket science | 10:26 |
| asm89 | haha | 10:26 |
| asm89 | futures i guess | 10:26 |
| asm89 | :) | 10:26 |
| asm89 | like --group-directories-first | 10:27 |
| jreese | porting another windows "feature", eh? | 10:27 |
| jreese | lol, the git-core PPA supports Ubuntu releases all the way back to Dapper, 6.06 | 10:29 |
| asm89 | lol | 10:29 |
| asm89 | well that's support | 10:29 |
| asm89 | :P | 10:29 |
| asm89 | maybe i'll convince everyone to switch to ubuntu lts one day ;) | 10:29 |
| jreese | if you're still running Dapper, I think you have bigger problems than getting a new version of Git | 10:29 |
| asm89 | yeah :P | 10:31 |
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